--- Log opened Tue Apr 02 00:00:16 2013 00:02 < petertodd> Yeah, hopefully... At least it does make it likely that I could safely, say, sell remote attestation capable hardware security modules. If being a money transmitter might be legal, selling some fancy hardware that doesn't even have the software to transmit money should be too. 00:03 < jgarzik> Being a money transmitter is definitely legal. You just have to jump through the hoops. ;p 00:03 < petertodd> Heh, well, Canada's MintChip thing looks totally serious... 01:12 < jgarzik> hmmm. I wonder how to route cgminer transparently over Tor 01:13 < gmaxwell> making all accounts require an instant refund address so the service could be trivially shut down might help. 01:14 < warren> some exchanges have that 01:14 < warren> and mining pools 01:14 < jgarzik> ah, excellent. socks4 proxy option in cgminer. 01:16 < gmaxwell> superior to multibit. :P 06:32 < warren> sipa: nice to see C-ify done. unfrotunately past sprint break now. I will be crushed with school until April 29th then I'm free 06:33 < warren> sipa: if you aren't totally done by then, it would be helpful if you could add to the TODO list what you would like the full openssl replacement API's to look like. 08:14 < lumos> amiller, http://steve-yegge.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html 09:56 < sipa> warren: :) 09:56 < sipa> warren: i hope by then, that won't be needed anymore 15:39 < jgarzik> "because you might be interested" disclosure... renting out my Avalon to ucsd.edu botnet researchers. miner -> ucsd getwork proxy -> botnet "black" mining pool. exMULTI is contracting with ucsd, clearing their legal dept etc. 15:39 < jgarzik> (exMULTI is my one-person microbiz for all things bitcoin) 15:40 < jgarzik> for expected-daily-BTC plus 1% 15:47 < amiller> lol, cool. 15:48 < amiller> i don't see how the mining power helps them do anything with botnets 15:48 < amiller> oh i see 15:49 < amiller> there must be some bitcoin mining equivalent of the "affiliate marketing program managers" for spam 15:49 < amiller> that they want to study 15:50 < amiller> but with spam, the affiliate marketing program provides extra service like dealing with the supply and shipping, but its' comparably straightforward to just run your own mining op... i guess not if you include cashing out the money 22:53 < warren> I suppose this happens every month ... in the last two days, somebody forked bitcoin-0.8.1 and launched a new coin that just used string replace on everything. 22:53 < warren> Then somebody did the same for litecoin-0.6.3 22:55 < sipa> which name? 22:56 < warren> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=164569.0 sha256 fork of 0.8.1. https://github.com/bryan-mills/bytecoin 22:56 < warren> I'm guessing a single avalon could crush it in a few minutes 22:58 < jgarzik> warren: did they change genesis block and pchMessageStart, I hope? 22:58 < warren> I didn't look deep enough 22:58 < jgarzik> we should put a "if making your own coin, change these things AT LEAST" doc in bitcoin repo 22:58 < gmaxwell> they did, thats about all they changed. 22:58 < warren> I'm guessing this could be merge mined if anyone cared. want to ruin their day? 23:01 < warren> gmaxwell: http://radon.gdries.nl:6327/static/ 23:03 < warren> If that p2pool readout is accurate, almost the entire coin is this p2pool node. 23:03 < gmaxwell> warren: you can't merge mine something that isn't designed for it. 23:05 < warren> this p2pool looks doctored to give fake numbers 23:10 < jgarzik> Trivia: bASIC guy emailed me, asking for personal advice on the following subject: if you paid X BTC (worth $Y) for a device, MUST the refund be X BTC (now worth $Y * 10)? 23:10 < jgarzik> completely random. never corresponded with him personally before, even during bASIC purchase process. 23:27 < gmaxwell> poor guy. He's been slowly refunding people $Y worth... which is an amount decreasing by the day. 23:29 < warren> what happened with bASIC? I wasn't around. 23:38 < jgarzik> warren: dunno the inner workings. He took pre-orders, then the project failed. Long pause, CC refunds, long pause, BTC refunds trickling out. 23:38 < jgarzik> warren: I paid BTC, and got a refund months later 23:45 < gmaxwell> warren: guy sold a successful fpga product, though it seems mostly on outsourced tech. Announced an asic product. Became very secretive.. Began making obviously booze induced postings. imploded as all preorder holders lost confidence. started returning funds, very slowly. 23:46 < warren> wow 23:47 < gmaxwell> some people think he was attempting honest business and got in over his head and became unhinged. Others think that he got scammed by someone he was outsourcing to. Other people think that it was all just a scam... ask for coin, if bitcoin value goes up 'fail' and return a fraction of it. 23:48 < gmaxwell> people who think that last one are probably the source of the question to Jeff. --- Log closed Wed Apr 03 00:00:17 2013