--- Log opened Thu Apr 04 00:00:11 2013 00:03 < jgarzik> petertodd: I wonder if @blockheaders has room for a #bitcoin hashtag? 00:32 < warren> A random walk student walked up to me just now and said, "I heard you have bitcoins. Do you have any to sell?" 00:32 < warren> These are the same people who can't keep their computers secure from viruses. 00:32 < warren> sigh 00:33 < warren> wow 00:33 < warren> random brain macro activated while typing that 00:33 < warren> I'm tired. 00:37 < jgarzik> warren: we get end user support questions all the time. the "I lost my bitcoins, how do I recover them?" ones are the worst. 00:38 < jgarzik> s/worst/most heartbreaking/ 01:10 < petertodd> jgarzik: it's now much improved 01:12 < nanotube> warren: random walk student eh? they sound like fun. :) 01:37 * jgarzik grabs globalsin.com, for his identity network thingy 01:38 < amiller> so a random walks students walks up randomly to me and says... 01:38 < amiller> all the best jokes begin this way 01:49 < gmaxwell> Do you go to brown? 01:50 < gmaxwell> (I thought you said the student was brownian? ... badumpcha) 03:26 < warren> nanotube: I've been making those weird brain macro mistakes for a few days now. Something odd is going on. 03:30 < gmaxwell> warren: welcome to being old 10:01 < BlueMatt> gmaxwell: does one have to be old for that? Im pretty sure I do it all the time too 10:08 < petertodd> BlueMatt: just old enough 11:24 < realazthat> sipa: ping? 12:20 < realazthat> hey is it ok for me to re-ask my project proposal idea in this channel 12:20 < realazthat> bitcoin-dev is quite noisy 12:20 < realazthat> and it got lost 12:20 < realazthat> (I want some dev feedback before I start) 12:56 < realazthat> sipa: so I been thinking for another project (or extension of this one) and someone gave me this idea, to make a bitcoin "client" that would use the RPC interface, but use a local wallet. thus, you can "federate" the blockchain to a trusted central bitcoind. would this be useful? 12:56 < sipa> realazthat: yes, but i believe the RPC interface is completely inappropriate for that 12:57 < sipa> in fact, the P2P protocol is perfect for that, as there are already clients out there that manage wallets without storing the blockchain :D 12:58 < realazthat> why is the RPC interface innapropriate? 13:00 < sipa> how will you know which coins you have to spend? iterate all transactions in all blocks? 13:02 < realazthat> erm 13:02 < realazthat> hmm 13:02 * realazthat thinks 13:04 < realazthat> so there is no way to retreive the balance of an output hmm 13:05 < sipa> no 13:05 < sipa> and doing that would require an even more extensive index 13:06 < sipa> while scanning the blockchain for interesting transactions is already possible via the p2p protocol, very efficiently 13:06 < sipa> without the server requiring an index 13:06 < realazthat> ah 13:06 < realazthat> but can that be trusted? 13:06 < sipa> and even better, it even doesn't require trusting the server, as authentication is built into the protocol 13:07 < sipa> and yet better: it already exists 13:07 < sipa> and works 13:07 < realazthat> yeah but that takes away my project idea! 13:07 < realazthat> :P 13:07 < realazthat> not better! 13:07 < sipa> (download bitxoin wallet for android or electrum) 13:12 < sipa> also, the model you propose (fully indexed by address server, with light clients querying balances) also exists already (though via an own protocol): electrum 13:12 < sipa> so... sorry! 13:14 < realazthat> lol 14:08 < warren> crap. The Slashdot summary on the DDoS attacks and instawallet is extremely misleading.' 14:10 < gmaxwell> warren: you expect otherwise? How else are the editors to buy cheap coins? :P 14:13 < warren> gmaxwell: I'm impressed how unaffected the market is despite the alarmist news 14:15 < sipa> they're used to it by now :p 14:16 < gmaxwell> as sipa says. 14:17 < sipa> half of slashdot is "just shut the fuck about bitcoin", and the rest are fans who ignore bad news :p 14:18 < gmaxwell> This can't be healthy. :P 15:46 < BlueMatt> sipa: thats been going on for a while 17:37 < warren> What was the decision about the irc seed? Revive the network? Leave it disabled? Remove the code? 17:42 < BlueMatt> remove code 17:42 < BlueMatt> I dont think anyone even bothered emailing the guy who runs it 17:49 < warren> BlueMatt: remove irc code completely or just turn it off? 17:49 < gmaxwell> warren: it's been turned off for years now. 17:49 < warren> for testnet too? 17:50 < gmaxwell> nah, we left it on for testnet. this takes it out completely. 17:50 < gmaxwell> why are you asking here instead of reading the pull? 17:50 < warren> oh, 17:50 * warren looks 17:54 < warren> thanks, I only searched the open pulls, not closed 18:33 < warren> Haha, the LTC instawallet was destroyed too. 18:38 < gmaxwell> destroyed? 18:42 < warren> gmaxwell: it isn't clear what happened. I'm guessing someone figured out how to access all the addresses like the BTC instawallet. 20:40 < weex> google indexed something afaik 21:04 < warren> Wow. in the last 12 hours BFL downgraded the speed of the advertised ASIC's and doubled the price. 21:08 < gmaxwell> I understand their phone has been ringing off the hook 21:10 < warren> Last week Josh committed to sending additional units to existing orders to satisfy hash rates that customers paid for. 21:12 < sipa> afaik, the change is only for new orders? 21:14 < warren> sipa: They would have a major backlash if they changed past orders especially after Josh made that commitment in public last week. 21:16 < sipa> well, then what's the problem? 21:17 < warren> Just surprising that it happened. 22:33 < nanotube> got links? --- Log closed Fri Apr 05 00:00:12 2013