--- Log opened Tue Aug 13 00:00:41 2013
04:05 < gmaxwell> amiller: hopefully I wasn't too harsh here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272709.msg2922718
09:31 < amiller> i think you're right on, actually, gmaxwell.
09:31 < amiller> i don't know what to do about it, but it's a real problem!
09:31 < amiller> these ETH Zurich people are one of the few that have a science grant to study bitcoin
09:32 < amiller> the bitcoin community and its various fora produce an enormous of writing, thought, invention, code and *science*, of which maybe 1% isn't bullshit chaff?
09:33 < amiller> in other words, not a whole lot different than the enormous and expensive academic machine...
09:37 < amiller> i think they're professionals and should not be excused from shoveling through all the forum posts ever and citing MerkleTrees420 for brute forcing a good invention
09:58 < sipa> i met christian decker once
09:58 < sipa> he's visited zurich bitcoin meetups before
10:06 < amiller> maybe a good solution would be to place anonymous papers on the bitcoin forum to help with the peer review?
10:06 < amiller> sending a note to the editors would be appropriate
10:07 < amiller> they are self selected as the interface to this sort of thing
17:45 < jgarzik> "It looks as though our system is unable to verify you social security
17:45 < jgarzik> number and other information. We use a third party vendor, Lexis
17:45 < jgarzik> Nexis, to verify that information we do not see the data, simply a
17:45 < jgarzik> score and your score is not high enough to move forward. "
17:46 < jgarzik> gmaxwell, so spake Dwolla, when I tried to open a personal account.  I wonder if anything tagged with bitcoin is now making the rounds...
17:46 < jgarzik> My credit score is north of 800, and nothing but traffic tickets in the criminal record, so I cannot think of what it might be.
17:47 < jgarzik> anyway, heads up
17:48 < petertodd> interesting! kinda ugly if they are going out and finding people's names to add to a blacklist database...
17:50 < jgarzik> Two guesses are (a) Dwolla refuses anything that links $person and "bitcoin", and (b) I'm now in some database somewhere
17:50 < petertodd> quite possibly (a) and (b)
17:51 < petertodd> if it gets to the point where this is applied to bank accounts in general I'd be worried...
17:51 < gmaxwell> jgarzik: tell them that you're concerned that your identity may have been stolen then, because you don't get that result, and ask for a copy of the paperwork so you can follow up with lexis?
17:52 < petertodd> gmaxwell: smart
17:53 < gmaxwell> there is always some pedestrian possibility, like they're actually pulling up someone elses record by mistake.
17:54 < petertodd> or someone already pulled some actual fraud with jeff's good name
17:55 < jgarzik> I had my identity stolen 15+ years ago.  some bum put my name + address in Atlanta on a military id with their picture, and tried to scam 9 Wachovias with it
17:56 < gmaxwell> I had an ex-gf that went through two years of having a damn hard time getting hired. Then she'd been working for a place as a contractor for some time, and they wanted to bring her on full time— when they checked her references, the national drug store chain she worked for for four years, told them that she had only showed up for work for two days and then no showed…  ... turned out that there had been someone else in another state wit
17:56 < sipa> another state wit[...]
17:56 < gmaxwell> with the same name.
17:57 < sipa> hint: /script load splitlong.pl
17:57 < gmaxwell> so anytime a prospective employer checked her references they got told that her biggest block of employement on her resume was a lie.
17:57 < sipa> right...
17:57 < gmaxwell> Thanks, dunno how that got unloaded.
17:57 < petertodd> sheesh, you can see why in some places the law is such that all companies really can do is confirm that you worked there
17:58 < petertodd> though that has it's own problems...
17:58 < gmaxwell> petertodd: normally you'd consider confirming duration to be pretty safe. It really sucks that this caused her problems for _years_ and we had no idea.
17:59 < gmaxwell> in any case, all kinds of boring ways for things to go wrong, so it pays to find out why if you can.
18:00 < jgarzik> gmaxwell, that's pretty smart RE Dwolla response, btw, done ;p
18:02 < petertodd> gmaxwell: Kinda reminds me of how when my brother applied to join the air force, they lost his application, but the record of him applying was in their system, so every time he called to ask how it was going they said it was still in processing...
18:03 < petertodd> gmaxwell: He worked at a call center at the time, and he spent his whole lunch hour every day for about two months calling them over and over again until finally they got annoyed enough that they asked the actual processing department, who of course said they had never got it.
18:04 < sipa> i've been told about cases where the recruiter who was supposed to tell a candidate about the outcome of their job application, had left the company
18:04 < petertodd> human systems often have remarkably bad error handling...
18:05 < petertodd> sheesh
18:06 < petertodd> I actually had the opposite of that happen to me kinda: I got hired to be the electronics lab night shift monitor at uni, and somehow no-one ever told my boss I had been hired, and being night shift I never had any interactions with him...
18:06 < sipa> so some day: "who are you?
18:06 < petertodd> exactly!
18:07 < petertodd> it also made very clear how people had been stealing thousands of dollars from payroll through fake time sheets...
18:36 < jgarzik> "Please enter the address that can be found on your current photo ID"
18:36  * jgarzik just moved and got a new photo ID…  that might be possible cause (c)
18:37 < jgarzik> The System wants my old address
18:37 < jgarzik> perhaps
18:39 < Luke-Jr> wtf is NEL?
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