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02:48 < wumpus> so much for his ideological spiel about a world without violence
02:49 < warren> You see, under the non-aggression principle you only have to worry about governments.  Voluntary actors and corporations (merely pooled capital of voluntary actors) have no reason to be violent.
02:50  * warren read all that crap for a paper this past semester.
02:51  * Luke-Jr notes Roger Ver considers DPR to be a hero after all this <.<
02:51 < gmaxwell> platonic politics for spherical cows.
02:51 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: you should point roger to the MD charges.
02:51 < wumpus> usually when people say that they mean 'only my agression' or, 'only my group's agression'
02:52 < Luke-Jr> MD?
02:52 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I pointed genjix to them and he said he'd have to reconsider his position (he too was going on about the hero stuff)
02:52 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-md-drug-attempted-witness-murder-charges-against-silk-road-owner-document-20131002,0,258931.htmlpage
02:53 < gmaxwell> apparently the $80k hit meantioned in the NY complaint's emails was actually a MD sting operation.
02:53 < Luke-Jr> is there a PDF of that?
02:53 < gmaxwell> and in that case my "well maybe DPR knew he was talking to the blackmailer all along" doesn't at all apply.
02:53 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I did mention the MFH stuff, and the posters on Roger's page went on about "no proof" :/
02:53 < gmaxwell> DPR wired 80k USD to some law enforcement in DC to have one of his staff members killed after he learned the staff member had been arrested. :(
02:54 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/801151/silk-road-owner-charged-in-md-with-drug.pdf
02:54 < Luke-Jr> thanks
02:54 < gmaxwell> This sounds much more solid than the incident in the NY one.
02:54 < gmaxwell> :(
02:55 < gmaxwell> I'm now honestly angry that they let this sonofabitch walk free for 8 months and gave him enough time to try to put out a hit on a second person!
02:57 < gmaxwell> and I suspect that the "success" of that first assassination is why he seemed so strangely eager to use it as a solution to his blackmailer problem.
03:09 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: no kidding
03:10 < gmaxwell> maybe someone actually is dead now because of it.
03:10 < gmaxwell> ... though I think thats unlikely.
03:13 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: on another note, I think it's awesome how the Maryland indictment uses past tense for SR :D
03:14 < Luke-Jr> hey, Maryland got "difficult to track" right (instead of anonymous)
04:13 < midnightmagic> say DPR wanted to prove he thought in advance, something was going on, and that he felt in advance there wasn't any hit happening. He could write various self-serving versions of it which conform to expected possible outcomes, and datestamp some hashes for each one, very nearly undetectable from one another using various namecoins. Then, depending on what actually happens, he magically whips out the most self-serving theory
04:13 < midnightmagic> which "proves" that in advance, he "knew" the cops were cops and no wrong-doing was happening.
04:13 < midnightmagic> how do the cops prove he wrote a dozen or a thousand of them?
04:19 < gmaxwell> thats why you couldn't use that sort of thing as a defense.
04:20 < gmaxwell> one of the reasons cops want money in these cases is to do kinda the opposite.
04:21 < gmaxwell> midnightmagic: I suppose if he timestamped one of those things with say, a $80,000 transaction fee... then you would have an argument which would convince _me_ that the timestamped thing was unique-ish, though selectively disclosed.
04:22 < gmaxwell> there is no good infrastructure for delayed non-selective disclosure.
04:22 < gmaxwell> which is actually what you'd want there.
08:46 < HM3> lol at least the forum hack had a sense of grandeur
10:13 < jgarzik> http://thegenesisblock.com/analysis-silk-roads-historical-impact-bitcoin/
10:13 < jgarzik> Correlates various SR events with bitcoin price charts
13:40 < midnightmagic> jgarzik: Hah! I've been right all along!
13:41 < midnightmagic> <-- is getting major ego boosts from confirmation of years-long assertions.
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