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| 02:14:19 | coryfields: | wumpus: around by any chance? |
| 02:15:02 | coryfields: | wumpus: merging to gitian descriptors turned out to be more of a pain thatn i had realized. nearly done now. PR tomorrow for 100%. |
| 02:17:38 | [\\\]: | sipa, you about? |
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| 02:32:13 | Luke-Jr: | coryfields: O.o? |
| 02:33:23 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: moving the action out of the makefiles and into descriptors |
| 02:33:37 | Luke-Jr: | oh |
| 02:33:44 | Luke-Jr: | dunno why that's so important >_< |
| 02:34:00 | Luke-Jr: | at least with the makefiles separate, it was possible to build the cross-compiler without gitian :< |
| 02:34:28 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: yea, i preferred it that way as well |
| 02:34:36 | coryfields: | for the first PR, i'm just trying to make it look like the others |
| 02:34:56 | coryfields: | since that's what was requested at some point |
| 02:36:04 | Luke-Jr: | coryfields: I would notably disagree with combining the dependencies into a single .yml, or putting them in the bitcoin git.. |
| 02:36:20 | Luke-Jr: | part of the goal was to have it usable by more than just Bitcoin Core, remember |
| 02:37:39 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: i agree with you. And I'm maintaining the makefile repo separately... |
| 02:37:51 | coryfields: | but ultimately, it needs to be in bitcoin git if we're going to use it for releases |
| 02:37:56 | Luke-Jr: | why? |
| 02:38:16 | Luke-Jr: | that's contrary to the modularisation direction IMO |
| 02:39:48 | coryfields: | the toolchain and dependencies have nothing to do with bitcoin modularization... |
| 02:40:25 | Luke-Jr: | they have nothing to do with bitcoin, hence why they don't belong in a bitcoin repo ;) |
| 02:40:39 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: and the other gitian descriptors? |
| 02:40:48 | Luke-Jr: | coryfields: such as? |
| 02:40:58 | coryfields: | contrib/gitian-descriptors |
| 02:41:13 | Luke-Jr: | deps-win32.yml and such, should be ideally split up into single libs and moved to a generic gitian repo IMO |
| 02:41:27 | Luke-Jr: | but that's not necessarily needed to do Mac that way |
| 02:41:40 | Luke-Jr: | not sure why Linux was done that way either.. |
| 02:43:07 | coryfields: | i disagree |
| 02:43:14 | coryfields: | gitian is not useful for anything other than shipping releases |
| 02:43:32 | coryfields: | if someone's depending on it for dev, that's their problem imo |
| 02:45:02 | Luke-Jr: | huh? I don't see how that's an argument against anything I said. |
| 02:45:06 | Luke-Jr: | seems like a total change of topic |
| 02:45:27 | coryfields: | that seems like the only logical reason to split them up into single libs |
| 02:45:44 | Luke-Jr: | mac/libz.yml would be just as useful to BFGMiner (for example) as for Bitcoin Core |
| 02:46:00 | Luke-Jr: | but shouldn't need libminiupnp |
| 02:47:53 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: if bfgminer wants to use our descriptors, that's fine. But I don't see why we should overcomplicate our processes for that |
| 02:48:24 | Luke-Jr: | coryfields: the point is to have generic gitian descriptors so every project doesn't need to reinvent their own yml and dependency binaries |
| 02:48:48 | Luke-Jr: | which also means that as more projects use them, there is less maintenance overhead for us |
| 02:48:51 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: that's not a goal that i share with you |
| 02:49:28 | Luke-Jr: | coryfields: I believe it was one of the original requirements you accepted for this task. |
| 02:49:43 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: that task is long-completed |
| 02:49:50 | Luke-Jr: | … |
| 02:49:52 | coryfields: | i'm now interested in actually using it for bitcoin releases |
| 02:50:50 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: https://github.com/theuni/osx-cross-depends/ |
| 02:51:09 | coryfields: | any project can use that. they're split individually. |
| 02:51:35 | coryfields: | if the core devs are comfortable with using that for releases, then that's fine by me. |
| 02:51:47 | coryfields: | I just want to get eyes and testers on it. Currently, that's not happening. |
| 02:51:52 | Luke-Jr: | guess it's my fault for not listing a requirement of having it merged :p |
| 02:52:13 | coryfields: | having what merged? |
| 02:52:31 | Luke-Jr: | nm, doesn't matter now |
| 02:52:41 | coryfields: | coryfields: I would notably disagree with combining the dependencies into a single .yml, or putting them in the bitcoin git.. |
| 02:53:28 | Luke-Jr: | mac/bccore.yml obviously is the exception to that |
| 02:54:48 | Luke-Jr: | long-term, I'd personally think the ideal is each library carry its own yml |
| 02:55:11 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: to be clear, i agree that adding monolithic descriptors for toolchain and depends is a kludge. I don't like it at all. But I'm trying to carry this forward, and that seemed like the most obvious approach |
| 02:56:27 | Luke-Jr: | coryfields: maybe the yml can produce a separate output for each lib at least? then the different dep ymls could be compatible |
| 02:56:28 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: it'd take something like 15 descriptors. That'd be a nightmare to build |
| 02:56:54 | Luke-Jr: | so what about 1-3 ymls that produce multiple tbz2s/zips? |
| 02:57:03 | coryfields: | that's exactly what i've done |
| 02:57:44 | coryfields: | osx-depends-qt-5.2.1-r2.tar.gz osx-depends-r2.tar.gz osx-native-depends-r2.tar.gz |
| 02:58:20 | coryfields: | oh, not multiple tarballs for each |
| 03:00:26 | Luke-Jr: | any harm in that? |
| 03:00:44 | coryfields: | yea, that drops the notion of a prefixed install |
| 03:01:02 | Luke-Jr: | ? |
| 03:01:04 | coryfields: | which breaks my next plan of adding prefix cache files for easy dev use |
| 03:02:58 | Luke-Jr: | * Luke-Jr ponders how difficult it would be to make Gentoo entirely deterministic <.< |
| 03:05:08 | coryfields: | Luke-Jr: anyway, I've got to do _something_ to get this rolling. I really want .9.2 built this way. So I'm going to finish up and PR it. Please comment on the PR. This is just a first step to get it some eyes, I'm very open to better ideas. |
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| 04:50:38 | Luke-Jr: | wow |
| 04:50:40 | Luke-Jr: | that was trivial |
| 04:50:52 | Luke-Jr: | I just made distcc so my Gentoo packages are deterministic by default |
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| 07:04:54 | Luke-Jr: | unfortunately, distcc is a pile of terrible spaghetti code, and (blocker) GCC arguments are not really viable to parse outside GCC *sigh* |
| 07:05:21 | Luke-Jr: | and trying to inject a simple hack in GCC seems futile. I can't even find where it calls the preprocessor :| |
| 07:07:21 | Luke-Jr: | BUT, to the limited extent I had distcc working, packages that compiled were deterministic.. |
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| 16:44:27 | amiller: | jgarzik, if you haven't looked at it yourself yet, i'm confident saying that eb3full's simbit simulator deserves the bounty you and kjj posted about. https://github.com/ebfull/simbit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603171.0 |
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| 23:26:07 | amiller: | lol https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/466354368640737280/photo/1 |
| 23:27:05 | Emcy: | its like a choose-your-ending book from my youth |
| 23:30:14 | amiller: | :) |
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