| 01:18:45 | justanotheruser: | petertodd: and if we softfork one opcode in then another in, we will need an op_eval within the op_eval? |
| 01:19:28 | justanotheruser: | s/we will/will we |
| 01:37:52 | fanquake: | fanquake has left #bitcoin-wizards |
| 03:27:41 | ryan-c`web: | does anyone have a "stuff is on fire" way to contact Eleuthria? |
| 03:27:56 | justanot2eruser: | justanot2eruser is now known as justanotheruser |
| 03:29:27 | ryan-c`web: | gmaxwell you got anything? |
| 03:32:28 | ryan-c`web: | jgarzik: ? |
| 03:33:06 | pigeons: | he's in #btcguild |
| 03:33:31 | pigeons: | also he replies to pms on bitcointalk forum |
| 03:34:52 | ryan-c`web: | i just messaged him on irc both in chan and pm |
| 03:35:02 | ryan-c`web: | he should be awake right now |
| 03:35:36 | ryan-c`web: | will message him on bitcoin talk |
| 04:03:23 | ryan-c`web: | no response yet |
| 04:04:16 | dsnrk: | ryan-c`web: what's on fire? |
| 04:04:17 | justanotheruser: | just wait lol |
| 04:05:56 | ryan-c`web: | dsnrk: btcguild has stopped including namecoin transactions in merge-mined blocks |
| 04:43:06 | phantomcircuit: | interesting |
| 04:43:08 | phantomcircuit: | without scripts building a tiny altcoin is actually pretty trivial |
| 04:44:36 | dsnrk: | are you surprised by that? |
| 04:44:54 | dsnrk: | given the volume of them existing, it can't be hard. |
| 04:46:30 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, i mean without reusing the bitcoin code base at all |
| 04:49:05 | dsnrk: | oh, sorry |
| 05:11:31 | jgarzik: | phantomcircuit, I smell a tinyc contest... create the smallest possible altcoin |
| 05:12:01 | jgarzik: | smallest, in terms of LOC |
| 05:13:37 | dsnrk: | nah, smallest in terms of bytes |
| 05:14:30 | dsnrk: | make it a real demoscene challenge, an altcoin in 64kb |
| 05:24:07 | tacotime: | there was something on github like this |
| 05:25:27 | tacotime: | i think this one |
| 05:25:28 | tacotime: | https://github.com/zack-bitcoin/basiccoin |
| 05:26:27 | phantomcircuit: | tacotime, that's lol huge |
| 05:26:41 | phantomcircuit: | lol he put an http server in it |
| 05:26:43 | phantomcircuit: | wat |
| 05:27:03 | dsnrk: | "According to Andreas Antonopolous, we will soon live in a world with millions of altcoins." |
| 05:27:13 | dsnrk: | ass gravy everywhere I look |
| 05:27:39 | phantomcircuit: | he's probably right |
| 05:27:45 | phantomcircuit: | just not altcoins |
| 05:27:59 | phantomcircuit: | more like chains which are not directly monetary |
| 05:28:16 | dsnrk: | that's not what he's talking about though, andreas is just pumping the altcoins he bought into. |
| 05:28:17 | phantomcircuit: | (hint what im doing is not an academic exercise) |
| 05:28:29 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, heh probably |
| 05:28:33 | dsnrk: | no, he is. |
| 05:28:39 | phantomcircuit: | he's still right... even if it's on accident |
| 05:29:03 | dsnrk: | well he thinks Peercoin is a good idea. |
| 05:29:25 | dsnrk: | if that gives you some idea of the rampant stupidity coming out of his mouth |
| 05:29:38 | phantomcircuit: | that's PoS right |
| 05:30:03 | phantomcircuit: | i love how easy it is to make fun of pos |
| 05:30:07 | phantomcircuit: | PoS is a POS |
| 05:30:13 | phantomcircuit: | * phantomcircuit is amused |
| 05:30:18 | dsnrk: | yeah. PoS that removed checkpointing and instantly fell to bits |
| 05:30:26 | phantomcircuit: | lol |
| 05:30:32 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, let me guess |
| 05:30:40 | phantomcircuit: | they then added centralized checkpoints |
| 05:30:43 | dsnrk: | yeah |
| 05:30:52 | phantomcircuit: | solidcoin v14 |
| 05:30:56 | dsnrk: | developers signatures are needed to make blocks valid |
| 05:31:09 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, all these altcoins are literally just solidcoin |
| 05:31:15 | phantomcircuit: | it's comical as fuck |
| 05:31:24 | phantomcircuit: | realsolid was a truly inovative con artist |
| 05:31:25 | dsnrk: | of course. they don't even pretend to be pump and dump scams anymore |
| 05:31:35 | phantomcircuit: | dudes a genius at scamming people |
| 05:31:57 | dsnrk: | I think blockchain.info do a better con job. |
| 05:31:58 | tacotime: | mcxnow fees |
| 05:32:31 | tacotime: | were realsolid's greatest triumph |
| 05:33:21 | tacotime: | i think they were at 0.65 btc at one point |
| 05:34:47 | phantomcircuit: | tacotime, that shit was hilarious |
| 05:34:52 | dsnrk: | blockchain.info make far more money than that. |
| 05:34:58 | phantomcircuit: | he basically looked at Ripple(tm) and realized what they were doing |
| 05:35:00 | phantomcircuit: | copied it |
| 05:35:05 | phantomcircuit: | but pulled off the scam 100x better |
| 05:35:20 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, i think he cleared like 10m on mcxnow |
| 05:35:38 | phantomcircuit: | then disappeared into the wind yet again |
| 05:36:07 | dsnrk: | blockchain.info make a hilarious amount of money from their advertising, and 0.5% of all transfers through their mixer |
| 05:36:30 | dsnrk: | well. 0.5% if people don't untick the donation box |
| 05:36:51 | dsnrk: | and given some Shared Send transactions are hundreds of BTC |
| 05:37:04 | dsnrk: | er, Shared Coin. |
| 05:37:54 | dsnrk: | I should put together some stats about Shared Coin. |
| 05:38:48 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, shrug |
| 05:38:58 | phantomcircuit: | they're laundering money |
| 05:39:15 | phantomcircuit: | 0.5% for (even wildly incompetent) money laundering is pretty cheap |
| 05:39:51 | petertodd: | phantomcircuit: more like they're dampening money |
| 05:40:00 | dsnrk: | Shared Coin isn't a mixer in any sane way. it's *useless* for any purpose. |
| 05:40:11 | petertodd: | phantomcircuit: ends up on the other slight slightly soggy, and still smelling |
| 05:40:33 | dsnrk: | petertodd: I think it comes out worse. it's a big bullseye that says "I'm trying to hide this!" |
| 05:40:54 | petertodd: | dsnrk: ever left wet clothing around? slightly soggy is worse :P |
| 05:41:03 | dsnrk: | .. and they log the private keys to a text file, so they know the results of every transaction anyway |
| 05:41:09 | petertodd: | yup |
| 05:41:27 | petertodd: | pity the zerocash team are practically MIA |
| 05:43:14 | phantomcircuit: | petertodd, just incorporate stealth addresses into the standard client and throw some coinjoin in there |
| 05:44:16 | petertodd: | phantomcircuit: aka dark wallet |
| 05:44:29 | dsnrk: | phantomcircuit: if we can't talk wallet developers into using change addresses or compress pubkeys, what chance does that have? |
| 05:45:21 | phantomcircuit: | dsnrk, im sure if it's implemented in bitcoin core all the other wallet idi^W^W^Wdevs will jump on it |
| 05:45:30 | phantomcircuit: | well except dark wallet... since it's already there |
| 05:45:40 | petertodd: | dsnrk: amir's bugging me to create a formal "Safe Wallet" certification, which would evaluate wallets based on financial and private safety issues |
| 05:45:44 | dsnrk: | I think all the she^H^H^Husers would just keep using blockchain.info. |
| 05:45:59 | dsnrk: | I can't even get Dark Wallet to load. |
| 05:46:14 | dsnrk: | their testnet mode is broken. doesn't give me much faith in it. |
| 05:46:35 | petertodd: | dsnrk: yeah, I really think their focus on usability was a big mistake - should have been a geeky proof-of-concept in python or something |
| 05:47:56 | dsnrk: | not making it a browser extension would have been a good start too |
| 05:48:06 | petertodd: | yup |
| 05:48:12 | petertodd: | lots of mistakes there |
| 05:49:00 | phantomcircuit: | petertodd, i cant remember, with stealth addresses, how does a lite client get notified of their existence? |
| 05:49:41 | ryan-c`web: | we need anyone who admins a pool that merge-mines namecoin in #namecoin-poolops to deal with a network issue |
| 05:50:09 | petertodd: | phantomcircuit: you can trade off bandwidth for privacy, as well as have a semi-trusted third-party do the scanning for you |
| 05:50:43 | phantomcircuit: | petertodd, couldn't you just have the sending party leak part of the original stealth address then search for that prefix |
| 05:50:55 | phantomcircuit: | (i seem to recall something about prefixes) |
| 05:51:02 | ryan-c`web: | our mempool has too much stuff in it |
| 05:51:17 | petertodd: | phantomcircuit: leak? that's what it is, a reduction in the k-anonymity set |
| 05:51:24 | dsnrk: | ryan-c`web: restart the node? |
| 05:51:28 | phantomcircuit: | petertodd, ok |
| 05:51:52 | phantomcircuit: | ryan-c`web, you're going to want to be a lot more specific |
| 05:52:02 | ryan-c`web: | dsnrk: yes, but we need all the pools to restart |
| 05:52:06 | phantomcircuit: | i only so very barely care about namecoin |
| 05:52:27 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: so someone decided to make transactions consolidating a bunch of nmc, which total about 100MB |
| 05:52:39 | dsnrk: | oh dear |
| 05:52:55 | petertodd: | ryan-c`web: ha |
| 05:52:59 | phantomcircuit: | ryan-c`web, ... and that's all in the mempool ? |
| 05:53:18 | ryan-c`web: | this has caused the getauxblock api call to lag to hell, which in turn makes merge mining nearly impossible |
| 05:53:41 | petertodd: | nice to see someone finally get screwed over by this silly unlimited size mempool |
| 05:53:48 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: yeah. they did pay fees |
| 05:54:01 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: well we're going to have to patch that |
| 05:54:15 | phantomcircuit: | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 05:54:15 | phantomcircuit: | 18176 namecoin 20 0 1052m 528m 6252 S 100 6.7 1139:13 namecoin/src/namecoind -daemon -blocknotify |
| 05:54:17 | phantomcircuit: | >.> |
| 05:54:33 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: restarting namecoind should help, but it is unclear for how long. |
| 05:54:44 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: we will have a band aid patch within 24 hours |
| 05:54:50 | dsnrk: | until the user rebroadcasts it I assume |
| 05:55:03 | dsnrk: | my node didn't see that transaction for whatever reason |
| 05:55:04 | ryan-c`web: | dsnrk: that is the "unclear for how long" part |
| 05:55:08 | ryan-c`web: | well |
| 05:55:15 | ryan-c`web: | it's 6200 transactions |
| 05:55:22 | petertodd: | ryan-c`web: just jack up the min fee temporarily |
| 05:55:43 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: thank you, i am low on sleep, that will work |
| 05:56:19 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: is that a config option in bitcoind? |
| 05:56:28 | ryan-c`web: | namecoind may not have it due to being old |
| 05:56:35 | ryan-c`web: | but i can probably add it |
| 05:56:36 | petertodd: | ryan-c`web: yeah, dunno about namecoin |
| 05:56:47 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: what's the option called? |
| 05:57:02 | petertodd: | ryan-c`web: min fee or something? it'd be in the mempool acceptance code |
| 05:58:14 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: do you know which file? |
| 05:58:19 | ryan-c`web: | it's very late where i am |
| 05:58:32 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: what pool do you have? |
| 05:58:37 | ryan-c`web: | er |
| 05:58:43 | ryan-c`web: | sorry, half asleeep |
| 05:58:46 | phantomcircuit: | heh |
| 05:58:53 | ryan-c`web: | cannot word good |
| 05:59:05 | ryan-c`web: | that fails before hacking ability |
| 05:59:35 | phantomcircuit: | ryan-c`web, cloudhashing |
| 05:59:55 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: i see MinFee in main.cpp but im not sure thats for mempool |
| 06:00:34 | dsnrk: | I assume the problem goes away if somebody just mines the transaction eventually |
| 06:00:56 | petertodd: | ryan-c`web: yeah, that's for the mempool |
| 06:01:04 | ryan-c`web: | dsnrk: > 6200 transations |
| 06:01:12 | ryan-c`web: | dsnrk: needs several hundred blocks |
| 06:01:54 | dsnrk: | oh. |
| 06:02:38 | ryan-c`web: | int64 txMinFee = tx.GetMinFee(1000, true, GMF_RELAY); |
| 06:03:02 | ryan-c`web: | they paid 0.005NMC on a bunch of >16KB transactions |
| 06:03:31 | ryan-c`web: | 0.001NMC/KB should kill it |
| 06:04:19 | ryan-c`web: | oh dear, backporting this may be difficult |
| 06:04:38 | petertodd: | ryan-c`web: seriously, this should be a one-line code change... |
| 06:05:02 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: once i find where to make it |
| 06:05:45 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: our codebase is crusty |
| 06:09:50 | ryan-c`web: | found the function |
| 06:11:12 | jwilkins_: | jwilkins_ is now known as polyclef |
| 06:16:10 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: want to try a patch? |
| 06:16:33 | ryan-c`web: | you will need to recompile, but there's a one-line bandaid fix |
| 06:27:17 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: edit main.h where it says MIN_RELAY_TX_FEE = 10000 to MIN_RELAY_TX_FEE = 100000 |
| 06:29:29 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: thanks, finally found the equivalent code |
| 06:29:43 | phantomcircuit: | ryan-c`web, cant even get the normal code to build |
| 06:29:56 | phantomcircuit: | /usr/local/include/boost/filesystem/path.hpp:139: undefined reference to `boost::filesystem::path::codecvt()' |
| 06:29:57 | phantomcircuit: | etc etc |
| 06:32:42 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: what distro? |
| 06:33:08 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: did you build from source before? |
| 06:33:29 | phantomcircuit: | ubuntu precise |
| 06:33:34 | phantomcircuit: | and yeah i've built here before |
| 06:33:39 | ryan-c`web: | petertodd: that seems to work |
| 06:33:50 | ryan-c`web: | phantomcircuit: one sec |
| 06:40:50 | ryanc-web: | 23:34] phantomcircuit: https://github.com/namecoin/namecoin/tree/namecoinq-release |
| 06:40:58 | ryanc-web: | battery on my phone died |
| 06:43:18 | phantomcircuit: | ryanc-web, im just trying to build namecoind |
| 06:43:39 | dsnrk: | phantomcircuit: builds from master alright for me |
| 06:43:44 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: yeah, build from that repo the namecoinq-release branch |
| 06:43:54 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: cd into src and make from there |
| 06:44:01 | ryanc-web: | make in the root may not work |
| 06:44:15 | dsnrk: | ^ I think that's the problem I ran into |
| 06:44:44 | phantomcircuit: | this seems to be working better |
| 06:44:56 | ryanc-web: | it's 2:45am here an i haven't been sleeping well lately due to travel |
| 06:44:59 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: cool |
| 06:45:15 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: enjoy the lack of competition for a while |
| 06:45:22 | ryanc-web: | (assuming it runs) |
| 06:45:28 | phantomcircuit: | spoke too soon |
| 06:45:36 | ryanc-web: | i have my daemon patched and getauxblock is fast again |
| 06:46:15 | phantomcircuit: | ryanc-web, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Q6KvS5mQ |
| 06:47:26 | phantomcircuit: | any ideas? |
| 06:47:34 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: what does git branch say? |
| 06:47:48 | ryanc-web: | also try 'make namecoind' |
| 06:48:26 | phantomcircuit: | git branch says namecoinq-release |
| 06:49:00 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: try git checkout namecoinq |
| 06:49:01 | ryanc-web: | make clean |
| 06:49:04 | ryanc-web: | and make again |
| 06:49:14 | phantomcircuit: | same result |
| 06:49:15 | phantomcircuit: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Pj89mUz5 |
| 06:49:20 | ryanc-web: | i'm on unubntu 12.04 and it's working for me |
| 06:49:22 | ryanc-web: | um |
| 06:49:30 | ryanc-web: | let me see what version of the boost package i have |
| 06:50:14 | ryanc-web: | install libboost1.48-all-dev |
| 06:50:31 | ryanc-web: | you're on 1.50 which seems to be having problems |
| 06:50:59 | phantomcircuit: | uh |
| 06:50:59 | ryanc-web: | actually i'm not totally sure |
| 06:51:02 | phantomcircuit: | im on 1.46 i think |
| 06:51:14 | phantomcircuit: | yeah i am |
| 06:51:41 | ryanc-web: | can you install 1.48-all-dev? |
| 06:52:31 | phantomcircuit: | yeah |
| 06:52:40 | phantomcircuit: | ldconfig running now |
| 06:53:01 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: thanks, really appreciate the help |
| 06:54:28 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: i can give you a pgp signed 64bit binary if it still fails to build |
| 06:58:28 | phantomcircuit: | ryanc-web, still broken |
| 06:59:45 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: do you want to try a build from me? |
| 07:04:03 | phantomcircuit: | ryanc-web, no i'll just build it somewhere else |
| 07:04:41 | dsnrk: | tromp__: those responses from CfB.. erk. |
| 07:04:44 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: i am building from a fresh copy of namecoinq-release fwiw and it;s working |
| 07:05:54 | nsh: | y'all uptae? |
| 07:06:49 | phantomcircuit: | ryanc-web, it's because im building with ancient ubuntu |
| 07:08:44 | ryanc-web: | phantomcircuit: i am using the same version |
| 07:08:52 | ryanc-web: | 12.04 |
| 07:09:28 | phantomcircuit: | this system might have some insane libboost version installed |
| 07:11:37 | phantomcircuit: | >.> |
| 07:11:47 | phantomcircuit: | this has libboost 1.55 installed |
| 07:12:40 | ryanc-web: | thatll break it |
| 07:13:22 | wumpus: | move the boost versions discussion to #-dev please |
| 07:15:20 | BlueMatt: | wumpus/sipa: huh? I see no reason why there is objection over moving two lines back into core.h from core.cpp |
| 07:15:39 | wumpus: | I've mentioned all the reasons in my post |
| 07:15:53 | BlueMatt: | the reason they were moved is I was falling down the rabbit hole and the script library was literally ending up pulling in half of bitcoind |
| 07:15:53 | wumpus: | it's not about those two lines but the general principle |
| 07:16:09 | BlueMatt: | I agree with the principal, but I also dont want to have all of bitcoind in a script library |
| 07:16:20 | wumpus: | also #-dev |
| 07:16:30 | BlueMatt: | oops, somehow thought I had dev selected :) |
| 07:16:31 | ryanc-web: | wumpus: we're not even talking about bitcoin, i requested this conversation be elsewhere already |
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