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| 19:51:26 | super3: | hey maraoz |
| 19:51:51 | maraoz: | hey |
| 19:53:32 | super3: | vitalik just helped me eliminated pregenerated hashes |
| 19:53:45 | super3: | the overhead per chunks just went from 50kb to 128 bytes |
| 19:53:51 | zooko: | Are you guys still hanging out in person? |
| 19:54:10 | super3: | everyone is in atlanta right now |
| 19:54:21 | zooko: | I saw from maraoz's twitter that a bunch of folks got together In Real Life. |
| 19:54:29 | super3: | yeah |
| 19:54:33 | maraoz: | super3: that's awesome |
| 19:55:15 | maraoz: | zooko: yeah we met afk yesterday. are you in ATL? |
| 19:55:22 | super3: | maraoz: im still in shock |
| 19:56:38 | zooko: | maraoz: Alas, no. I'm in Colorado. |
| 19:56:41 | zooko: | Come visit. ☺ |
| 19:57:03 | super3: | zooko: we have consensus |
| 19:57:05 | super3: | come here |
| 19:57:08 | zooko: | Haha! |
| 19:57:23 | zooko: | I would, but my three children have priority votes over me this weekend. |
| 19:57:32 | zooko: | Also there is a Tahoe-LAFS Hack Fest in Colorado this weekend. |
| 19:57:42 | super3: | that would increase the difficulty |
| 19:58:52 | zooko: | Too bad. |
| 19:59:07 | zooko: | Is this triggered by the Southern Bitcoin conference? |
| 20:00:13 | zooko: | Excuse me -- https://LeastAuthority.com daily "standup" meeting beginning now… |
| 20:00:40 | super3: | maraoz: i brought vitalik(ethereum) and bo(bitshares) down from cryptolina, maraoz was visiting, the rest were bitpay guys |
| 20:00:49 | super3: | actually a really decent sized non-meetup |
| 20:01:41 | Guyver2: | Guyver2 has left #bitcoin-wizards |
| 20:03:30 | super3: | zooko: going to any bitcoin conferences |
| 20:26:26 | zooko: | back from standup. |
| 20:26:32 | zooko: | Hm, I really wish I were there. |
| 20:26:48 | zooko: | There is a bunch of activity around distributed storage, from the cryptocurrency perspective. |
| 20:27:44 | zooko: | Let's see, there's the academic Permacoin project, MaidSafe, StorJ (super3, just raised money in crowd-funding), Vitalik's recent blog post, and IPFS/Filecoin (jbenet). |
| 20:27:47 | zooko: | Am I missing any? |
| 20:28:24 | zooko: | super3: I don't currently have any plans to go to any Bitcoin conferences, but I expect to add such plans to my calendar soon. |
| 20:28:49 | zooko: | Let's see, where are you physically located, primarily, super3? |
| 20:29:04 | zooko: | I think Vitalik is primarily in Toronto, is that right? And I think jbenet is in SFBA. |
| 20:29:21 | super3: | Atlanta for now |
| 20:29:32 | super3: | im pretty much mobile at this point if needed |
| 20:30:47 | zooko: | super3: yeah, it's great that you have funding. |
| 20:30:47 | super3: | been to San Fran, Chicago, Virginia, and North Carolina in the past month |
| 20:31:06 | super3: | i def helps :-P |
| 20:31:06 | super3: | it* |
| 21:10:46 | jbenet: | hey guys! <3 yep am in SFBA -- we'll have an office in PA or SF (still tbd) but our team will be pretty distributed. (come visit!) -- super3 come to SFBA, it's teeming with great people + solid hackers who care about the future of the internet. bbl irc-walking between mtgs. |
| 21:11:27 | zooko: | Gotta go, but I'd like to figure out how to get all of us decentralized storage hackers to learn more from each other and cooperate more. |
| 21:11:29 | zooko: | Cheers. |
| 21:11:37 | zooko: | All of WE I mean. |
| 21:12:20 | jbenet: | zooko: yes! let's do a pseudo-conf for a weekend, and maybe periodic open +hangouts |
| 21:18:50 | super3: | yes i think it would be good to actually just do invites to all the distributed data people |
| 21:19:00 | super3: | get them all in one place for a weekend for drinking and coding |
| 21:19:43 | super3: | it think its important that some standards are established |
| 21:20:03 | super3: | it would be cool if all the distributed data platforms were interoperable from the start |
| 21:23:41 | nsh: | so, in summation: it's important that standards for distributed data platforms are established centrally? :) |
| 21:25:22 | jgarzik: | frankly, decentralized storage won't get very far without DC identities and DC markets |
| 21:26:50 | jgarzik: | DC storage providers register their payment identities and the identities of the computer(s) providing the resources. Those identities then offer services on a free, automated market to some buyers. |
| 21:27:22 | jgarzik: | index services, higher level redundancy services become buyers in that DC market, and sellers in the higher level DC storage API market |
| 21:28:00 | jgarzik: | Auditors and others may digitally sign attestations of a chosen DC identity of quality or testing |
| 21:28:08 | jgarzik: | *for |
| 21:28:34 | jgarzik: | the market handles getting you paid, if you are a low level individual leaf storage node |
| 21:29:05 | super3: | nsh: the idea is that data is now "fungible" |
| 21:29:14 | jgarzik: | the market helps storage API providers find leaf nodes with the desired resources, availability, reputation, geolocation |
| 21:29:17 | nsh: | super3, interesting |
| 21:29:36 | super3: | like when they made all the rail lines the same size |
| 21:29:44 | jgarzik: | each level of decentralized storage can be decentralized through the free market |
| 21:29:49 | super3: | so now i can get from point a to point b on the same train |
| 21:30:29 | super3: | i can build whatever train i want, as long as its using the standard track size |
| 21:31:08 | nsh: | i think the track size was established quite early on at binary |
| 21:31:11 | super3: | jgarzik: these methods should only be used as discovery methods and should not be relied on entirely |
| 21:31:45 | nsh: | (it may not be too late to convert to superior ternary system however) |
| 21:32:06 | jgarzik: | Doing business and building APIs through a decentralized market ensures healthy separation and redundancy of various players in the system |
| 21:32:17 | super3: | identities are not needed, just the proper incentives to dissuade attacks |
| 21:32:56 | jgarzik: | An "identity" is just a randomly generated pubkey |
| 21:33:12 | jgarzik: | in a decentralized system |
| 21:33:21 | jgarzik: | see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Identity_protocol_v1 |
| 21:33:21 | super3: | ok fair enough then |
| 21:34:15 | super3: | also looking at using coin age mixed with quality services mixed with pricing |
| 21:34:40 | super3: | so choosing hosting nodes boils down to a cost function |
| 21:34:44 | jgarzik: | all these resources -- in the real world -- have attributes whose monetary value floats in real time |
| 21:35:07 | jgarzik: | let buyers and sellers figure that out. they will do a better job than any one Wizard Behind The Curtain trying to come up with complicated incentives |
| 21:35:21 | super3: | indeed, everything must be on a market |
| 21:35:39 | super3: | the job is simply provide the platform and and the tickers |
| 21:40:12 | nsh: | has anyone ever come across the term mereology? |
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