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01:45:19jgarzik:to do namecoin-like things, while avoiding a new floating token
01:45:30jgarzik:simplified,
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03:23:37Luke-Jr:BlueMatt: seems like a nice fit
03:24:53Luke-Jr:actually, maybe not that nice
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13:19:41shibe25:I like potatos, and you to should love potatoes
13:19:46shibe25:Potatoes
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21:39:44amiller:and the error amounts to like, an import mismatch
22:43:39gmaxwell:amiller: did andytosh tell you? we found a bug in wolfram alpha while checking the pegged sidechains paper. (Bluematt plugged one of the equations into wolfram alpha; told me "that equation equals zero" and I was thinking "great we've proved a sum of positive powers of e can be zero, lets go collect or fields medal" ...)
22:43:51amiller:lol
22:43:55gmaxwell:haven't had a chance to see if mathmatica is similarly bugged yet.
22:44:38gmaxwell:(basically it claims the reorg sum formula is EXACTLY equal to zero (not a num approx.). If you remove the 1- from the equation it correctly gives a 0.999(lots)(non9s) answer.
22:44:43gmaxwell:)
22:45:11gmaxwell:s/or fields/our fields/
22:53:30nsh:what was the input to wolfram alpha?
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23:08:33gmaxwell:plus things like code that isn't 8-bit-clean, or code that handles things as unicode. (that stuff interacts awesomely with random byte limits in string handling code, since truncation can create invalid codepoints.. or worse, cause a dumb reader to miss a null terminator)
23:08:57woah:hmmm its just a messy undertaking huh
23:09:24gmaxwell:Or code that has one idea of the length (e.g. because it created it) not agreeing with a strlen() (an example of an in-band signaling problem); so you get different code reading data from a string differently.
23:09:55gmaxwell:don't get me wrong, its often necessary to use strings. ... but I try to avoid them anywhere it isn't necessary.
23:12:29gmaxwell:oh another problem with strings is that they get embedded in protocols that carry explicit lengths... and then the two methods of counting can disagree and cause doom.
23:13:06gmaxwell:(in particular, I've found multiple authentication bypass vulnerabilties in commercial networking products due to this)
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23:16:36woah:hmm so strings are just an easy place to mess up
23:16:55woah:and it's unfortunate to introduce that to a system that doesn't need it