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| 08:31:15 | gmaxwell: | The recently chartered TCPINC (increased security) working group will be meeting at 0900 in the morning (hawaii time, gmt-10); discussed will be TCPcrypt (which is a really awesome and simple extension to tcp to add oppturnistic encryption) ... and a couple other proposals to not use that and instead use TLS, which I think are pretty bad ... because TLS. |
| 08:33:05 | gmaxwell: | https://tools.ietf.org/wg/tcpinc/agenda is the agenda (and links to the drafts and list archive), if you'd like to listen/participate there is a jabber chat rppm at tcpinc@jabber.ietf.org (though if you're going to participate you shoul checkout the agenda and the drafts: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/tcpinc/agenda ) because the proposers of TCPcrypt are not very IETF savvy and the people pushing the TLS alternatives are very ietf ... |
| 08:33:11 | gmaxwell: | ... savvy; I expect it to get steamrolled pretty hard. |
| 08:35:44 | gmaxwell: | May be of some interest to folks around here. |
| 08:38:20 | phantomcircuit: | gmaxwell, tls for opportunistic encryption of tcp? |
| 08:38:22 | phantomcircuit: | lol wat |
| 08:40:49 | gmaxwell: | yea, the proposal to use TLS is (IMO) daft, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rescorla-tcpinc-tls-option-01 |
| 08:43:45 | gmaxwell: | People bitch that e.g. protocols from SDOs are sabotaged.... but if you don't show up to participate, ... well.. it's pretty easy to do so. |
| 08:45:01 | phantomcircuit: | gmaxwell, there is a picture of a rotting foot in that presentation |
| 08:45:04 | phantomcircuit: | wat |
| 08:46:33 | gmaxwell: | I think it's a foot-gunned foot. |
| 08:46:48 | phantomcircuit: | still |
| 08:46:50 | phantomcircuit: | come on |
| 08:47:07 | gmaxwell: | also.. pictures in an ietf presentation? man. ietf presentations should almost never have pictures. This is what I mean that the proposers are not that expirenced. (compare to the chair slides) |
| 08:48:00 | gmaxwell: | in any case, remote participants in the IETF are in-theory equal to people locally (clue weighed of course), I'm not one to stack rooms by calling for lots of clueless people; but I do think this is an area with lots of leverage for improving the internet; and one where lots of people who are regulars in _this_ room are qualified to have opinions. |
| 09:01:58 | phantomcircuit: | gmaxwell, do you have a list of improvements to for merkle trees somewhere? (outside your head of course) |
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| 09:11:46 | phantomcircuit: | gmaxwell, looks pretty standard except for perturbing an internal node differently from a leaf |
| 09:19:11 | phantomcircuit: | ha oops current merkle tree code is wrong |
| 09:19:13 | phantomcircuit: | derp |
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| 13:42:43 | petertod1: | phantomcircuit: fwiw I wound up doing a bit of yak shaving and making that merbinner tree stuff into a bit of a serialization library; gonna have to write up a solid merkle tree implementation for it before long |
| 13:43:21 | petertod1: | phantomcircuit: well, actually, by yak shaving, I mean there's like a whole herd of very pissed off yaks out there right now... |
| 13:47:22 | petertod1: | gmaxwell: oh, that's neat, just noticed rfc6962's algorithm is basically identical to my MMR construction, though I think they have a much better definition |
| 13:50:01 | petertod1: | phantomcircuit: note too how in general you can always take hash functions and generalize them to summation functions if you want the merkle-summed version of an algorithm |
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| 15:53:23 | kanzure: | not quite directly applicable to bitcoin, but makes me think: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2//Predicting%20change%20propagation%20in%20complex%20design.pdf |
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| 16:52:16 | nsh: | kanzure, paper does not summarize any findings in abstract/introduction |
| 16:52:25 | nsh: | presumably, nothing of value was determined |
| 16:53:34 | kanzure: | oh sure, you won't really regret not reading it |
| 17:10:28 | nsh: | * nsh nods |
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| 18:11:23 | maaku: | "In conclusion, we wasted 15 minutes of your valuable time in reading this paper." |
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| 22:32:22 | sipa: | maaku: ? |
| 22:33:45 | maaku: | sipa: joking off of presumably, nothing of value was determined |
| 22:43:02 | kanzure: | reading papers is so fiat, obviously the right thing to do is to use induction and skip the whole thing |
| 22:44:04 | kanzure: | er, or inference. |