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12:42:52 | kanzure: | "Practical Compact E-Cash with Arbitrary Wallet Size" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/086.pdf |
14:59:11 | kanzure: | please look forward to my proposal for negative confirmation transactions |
14:59:49 | [nsh]: | * [nsh] smiles |
15:10:11 | bsm117532: | Amazon already has a patent on that. |
15:12:01 | justanotheruser: | kanzure: isn't that basically checklocktime? |
15:20:34 | jgarzik: | nLockTime is arguably negative confirmations |
15:22:16 | kanzure: | oh, perfect |
15:23:21 | [nsh]: | the joke is 'spendable after negative confirmations'. nLockTime is more prosaically 'begins with [kinda] negative conformations' |
15:23:29 | kanzure: | "I and many other people tried your replace-by-fee tools and found out that they worked **maybe** 1-2% of the time" yeah... that's probably the merchant's entire margin. |
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15:36:06 | justanotheruser: | [nsh]: if it's spendable after a known number of more blocks it kindof already is confirmed? |
15:36:30 | [nsh]: | * [nsh] shrugs |
15:48:01 | petertodd: | kanzure: +1 |
15:49:47 | petertodd: | kanzure: and like I said in my reply, I intentionally didn't make that doublespend script get high success rates out-of-the-box - all the clever strategies are turned off, and it doesn't provide any mechanism to create totally non-std transactions and get them to miners |
15:49:58 | petertodd: | *turned off by default |
15:51:54 | kanzure: | whoops wait my comment is really bad. 1-2% of the transactions is of course not going to be 1-2% of revenue. so talking about margins is wrong. but if you are allowed to assume a flat distribution.... |
15:52:31 | petertodd: | kanzure: hah, yeah, which means that 1-2% might be 50% of your revenue if you get unlucky :) |
15:54:21 | kanzure: | petertodd: so would this strategy be of any utility? a merchant that wants to accept zeroconf should make a subsequent transaction that spends all of his BTC plus the input of the original zeroconf. does that get picked up by any mining/priority policy these days? |
15:54:47 | petertodd: | kanzure: in replace-by-fee it wouldn't - priority doesn't count for anything |
15:54:59 | kanzure: | k. lousy method anyway. :) |
15:55:11 | petertodd: | kanzure: against non-rbf double-spend attacks it'd also make no difference |
15:55:35 | kanzure: | right, was just thinking about transaction competition i guess. not sure. |
15:56:19 | petertodd: | kanzure: now, in my implmentation if you made 100 transactions in a row you'd trip the recursion/breadth limit on the child tx evaluator, and it wouldn't attempt to replace, but that's a temporary artifact of my "work at all costs" design |
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21:43:22 | kanzure: | amiller: what about a system like helios except where coercion can only occur by making the coercion public and known to everyone? |
21:43:41 | amiller: | that would be interesting, how so? |
21:44:14 | kanzure: | hmm, i don't have any answers yet. i'll report back eventually. |
21:49:09 | kanzure: | you could have delayed coercion proofs maybe |
21:49:30 | kanzure: | that only get unlocked once some threshold number of potential proofs are available? |
21:49:46 | kanzure: | i guess that wont work; not everyone will be harmed, but some might. |
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