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| 06:48:22 | moa: | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/03/who-on-earth-would-attack-github-for-its-anti-great-firewall-projects/ something worth pondering re bitcoinn |
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| 16:43:07 | andytoshi: | this made me laugh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1005487.msg10913091#msg10913091 "looks random to me, unless i'm missing something" |
| 16:46:30 | fluffypony: | lol |
| 16:46:58 | Chillum: | < 128 bit key = fail |
| 16:47:10 | fluffypony: | missing something like...I dunno...an understanding of randomness |
| 16:49:55 | fluffypony: | speaking of gems |
| 16:50:02 | fluffypony: | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.msg10921551#msg10921551 |
| 16:50:08 | fluffypony: | "Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters. It works on a system of digital signatures." |
| 17:21:06 | andytoshi: | classic :D |
| 18:19:50 | gmaxwell: | ... |
| 18:20:16 | fluffypony: | gmaxwell: it gets much worse, he doubles down on it |
| 18:20:21 | STRML: | what |
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| 18:31:16 | andytoshi: | in fairness, his doubling-down is citing vitalik saying almost the same words with "encryption" in place of "cryptography" when mocking a press article misusing words |
| 18:45:53 | fluffypony: | yeah I saw that - he's misunderstanding what Vitalik was saying |
| 18:46:56 | gmaxwell: | fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.msg10922949#msg10922949 |
| 18:48:46 | fluffypony: | classic |
| 18:48:51 | gmaxwell: | fluffypony: I didn't have the impression that vitalik had any great recognition of the scope and implications of these systems being cryptographic either. (E.g. just the long list of sloppy adhoc systems that turn out to be insecure once subject to critical inspection). |
| 18:52:31 | STRML: | how could you possible use bitcoin and not have any idea of the cryptography underpinning it |
| 18:52:58 | Chillum: | push gas, car go fast |
| 18:56:11 | adam3us: | Chillum: btw i saw the Luke-Jr Chillum exchange on #bitcoin-dev. Luke-Jr is correct, his point is that you really, actually can NOT assume there is a from address. think about sending from coinbase, or bitstamp, or coinJoin transaction, or a mixer. if you refund or assume that address private key is in the control of the person sending you money, bad you will lose. |
| 18:57:05 | Chillum: | I agree with that. But that only means a source does not equal a return address. It does not mean there is no source address |
| 18:57:51 | Chillum: | at the level that humans use bitcoin there is such a concept, even if there is no such concept at the core of the protocol |
| 18:58:08 | adam3us: | Chillum: well there are inputs for sure, but dont get in the habit of thinking a specific human is the sender, due to shared sending situations of which there are many. |
| 18:58:31 | adam3us: | Chillum: yes but thats wrong, that has resulted in lost money, confusion; that concept needs to die |
| 18:58:43 | Chillum: | I never meant to imply that addresses represented a real world identity in any fashion. They are of course disconnected |
| 18:58:56 | Chillum: | I have to go now |
| 18:59:05 | adam3us: | Chillum: ok then |
| 19:43:49 | lmatteis: | hello. maybe it's the wrong place to ask. but am looking for research regarding having the Web infrastructure (WWW, HTTP, etc) using a p2p model rather than a client-server model |
| 19:47:49 | sipa: | maybe it's the wrong place to ask. but am looking for research regarding having the transportation infrastructure (cars, trains, etc) using a air model rather than a road model |
| 19:47:55 | sipa: | :p |
| 19:48:06 | lmatteis: | lol |
| 19:49:03 | lmatteis: | this is the only thing i found from the Bittorent people |
| 19:49:03 | lmatteis: | http://blog.bittorrent.com/2014/12/10/project-maelstrom-the-internet-we-build-next/ |
| 19:49:19 | lmatteis: | but i'm not sure why they're not open-sourcing any of it |
| 19:49:39 | lmatteis: | how do they even make mone |
| 19:49:41 | lmatteis: | money |
| 19:56:36 | nubbins`: | how indeed would they make money without open-sourcing it? :s |
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| 20:18:02 | amiller_: | lmatteis, ask melvster (in pm or maybe #webpayments), he knows about web things, basically off topic here though |
| 20:28:33 | melvster: | lmatteis try w3c payments group, or ask me if you have something more specific, perhaps better to continue this conversation on #webpayments or #swig |
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